From:  Jeff Beatty <>
Date:  18 Jun 2015 22:09:42 Hong Kong Time

Re: SuMo KB in bn-BD & bn-IN locales :: A new perspective


To add to this, I, personally, haven't seen any discussion about this 
after the Portland meeting. We were unable to bring Mak to India for the 
meetup I mentioned in that earlier email, so we were unable to continue 
that discussion.

 From the discussions I've had, I know of no recorded statements which 
would satisfy your request, as these discussions (at least the one's 
that I have been a part of) have all taken place in person. If this is 
still a pilot project that the two Bengali efforts are interested in 
pursuing, it is up to them to come together with Michal to determine how 
to proceed. Considering the volume of work, I still believe a combined 
effort for Bengali SUMO is better for users than a separate Bengali SUMO.


El 6/18/15 a las 4:18 AM, Michal Dziewonski escibi├│:
> Sankarshan,
> Here's a quote from Jeff's email summarising the discussion in 
> Portland. I am also CCing Jeff to make sure he's away of the current 
> status of the pilot.
> /"Hi all,
> I wanted to follow up from previous conversations with an update on 
> our Bengali l10n community. We had a good discussion in Portland 
> between Biraj, Soumya Chakerboty, and Mak. The discussion was framed 
> around identifying the needs of the Bengali-speaking user in the 
> region. We were able to maintain that focus to an extent, but 
> inter-community conflict issues also became a focal point in the 
> discussion. It was clear that the bn-BD members were in favor of 
> merging efforts and saw the advantages for the user. The 
> locale-specific conventions (currency, time and date format, etc.) 
> could be automated in order to provide the best user experience for 
> the user. The bn-IN members were not in favor of merging efforts. They 
> saw a merger as throwing away a lot of their good work and as an 
> unjustified action, as they have performed excellently as their own 
> community. They also cited come conflicts they've had with members of 
> the bn-BD community. Eventually, the conversation moved to directing 
> attention at the bn-IN members to address why merging didn't make 
> sense to them. Had the discussion continued, it would have become more 
> accusatory, defensive, and unproductive, so we put a pin in it and 
> decided to revisit the discussion at a later date.
> After the discussion (and Michel & Arky can add more details here), 
> Mak and Biraj were able to come to an agreement to use SUMO as a pilot 
> for merging efforts. It seems both communities struggle to adequately 
> cover SUMO article translation. I'm unaware of the specifications of 
> this pilot. Axel, Arky, and I are traveling to India in February and 
> plan to get Biraj and Mak together again to continue the discussion there.
> If anyone has more details to offer, please feel free to do so here. 
> We're also happy to answer any questions about the discussion.
> Thanks,
> Jeff"
> /
> To the best of my knowledge, there are no other notes from that 
> meeting available.
> /
> /
> Cheers,
> Michał
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> 2015-06-18 12:03 GMT+02:00 Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay 
>  >:
>     On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Michal Dziewonski
>     > wrote:
>     > What I do have is native speakers in both locales agreeing that the
>     > differences between the locales are small enough to enable the
>     users to
>     > benefit from existing localization for either of the locales.
>     Michal, thank you for taking time to respond. I am hoping that
>     individuals/staff members/Mozilla associates before you would be able
>     to respond to some, if not all the points I have sought detail about.
>     Meanwhile, would it be possible for you to point me to specific
>     instances where native speakers have publicly and on record identified
>     these small differences as being not an impediment to allow users to
>     benefit from either locale?
>     --
>     sankarshan mukhopadhyay
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*Jeff Beatty*
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