From:  Luke Crouch <lcrouch@mozilla.com>
Date:  13 Mar 2015 00:09:18 Hong Kong Time
Newsgroup:  news.mozilla.org/mozilla.mdn.services
Subject:  

Re: DareBoost

NNTP-Posting-Host:  63.245.216.66

+1 everything Justin said.

The great thing about being MDN is that we want to help web developers'
write secure, compatible, accessible code. Period. I.e., we're not some
"Damn, they stole our idea!" startup out to make a name for ourselves (we
already have one), nor are we looking for a lucrative exit.

When we find other developer tools & services, we evaluate if they help web
developers. If so, we can partner with them to add some of our scale and
authority to make their offerings more accessible to more developers.

And we focus our own work to more specific areas and models that others may
not be trying.

-L

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Justin Crawford 
wrote:

> I think so.
>
> Our survey results (which I would call "market validation of a problem to
> be solved") indicate that professional web developers are motivated (for
> example, by their professional integrity) to make websites that are
> compatible, secure and accessible. But, for example, with compatibility,
> developers who don't currently use a service say they manually test across
> browsers or just use a library and hope it works across browsers. They say
> testing across browsers is hard. They say they don't use existing services
> for this because existing services don't fit into their workflows or are
> hard to learn. [0]
>
> So there is an opportunity, particularly if we make tools that are easier
> to integrate into a developer workflow (which to me means experimenting
> with new form factors that go beyond, "paste a URL into this website and
> get a report back!").
>
> There are tons of services out there and we'll see more. Our potential
> customers are pretty good at scratching their own itches. But we have some
> unfair advantages -- scale and authority are high on the list.
>
> We are very much in experiment mode -- startup mode -- which means we're
> searching for a successful model that really resonates with a market we
> think exists. We have to be OK with the idea that even after experimenting,
> we won't find that model, and we have to help our colleagues understand why
> failing to find it is OK. Good for us, even. [1]
>
> [0]
> http://qsurvey.mozilla.com/Reportsview?key=28049-3800329-d4947bf1c72e37b4d1d06674e482106e&mode=html
> [1]
> http://steveblank.com/2015/03/11/fear-of-failure-and-lack-of-speed-in-a-large-corporation/
>
>
> Justin Crawford
> Product Manager, MDN
> hoosteeno@mozilla.com
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:01 AM, John Karahalis 
> wrote:
>
>> Keeping this intentionally brief to start some discussion...
>>
>> Does this mean there are more red oceans than we initially thought? Do our
>> plans still offer services that users can't already get elsewhere?
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Luke Crouch  wrote:
>>
>> > mdn-services,
>> >
>> > David Walsh showed me this dareboost service which has, IMO, the kind of
>> > report consolidation UI we could aspire to with our various MDN
>> services'
>> > reports.
>> >
>> > https://www.dareboost.com/en/report/54fef22ee4b0c0149cc17e60
>> >
>> > I.e., a single report covering things ranging from accessibility,
>> > standards, compatibility, to security, etc.
>> >
>> > And a similar daily/weekly scan, analyze, and report cycle.
>> >
>> > -L
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