From:  "paul@ilovetheopenweb.org" <paul@ilovetheopenweb.org>
Date:  30 Nov 2010 00:26:31 Hong Kong Time
Newsgroup:  news.mozilla.org/mozilla.drumbeat.website
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Re: Drumbeat Platform (Was Re: [Drumbeat] Add your items & links to Monday's agenda)

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On 29/11/2010 15:57, Paul Osman wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> If you would like to debate the merits of one open source platform vs another, I would suggest we take the discussion off of the community list (and onto the drumbeat-website list), as I suspect (although I could be wrong!) that the majority of community members aren't really worried about what specific open source tools are used to build our website, as long as those tools are used to build something that works for them :)

I  wouldn't personally like to debate the merits of Drupal vs Django as 
i have very limited knowledge of Django at the moment although i would 
be interested in listening if other developers have opinions on this.

> I'm personally very grateful for the time and expertise you've contributed to building the current version of the site. If you'd ever like to give Django another shot, we could certainly use help building on the new code base. We could also use help with QA / testing on an ongoing basis.
Thanks Paul. I will definitely look again at django & Batucada over the 
coming months and work out how best i can help out :-)

> Cheers,
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> | From: paul@ilovetheopenweb.org
> | To: "Matt Thompson"
> | Cc: "The community mailing list for Mozilla Drumbeat"
> | Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 5:03:38 AM
> | Subject: Re: [Drumbeat] Add your items&  links to Monday's agenda
> | Hi Matt
> |
> | Thanks for the response. Just want to add a few closing thoughts in
> | defense of
> | Drupal for drumbeat.org&  few words of gratitude.
> |
> |
> | On 26/11/2010 17:01, Matt Thompson wrote:
> |>  Hi, Paul. Thanks for this!
> |>
> |>  Feedback from the community has been huge in the design of Batucada.
> |>  Particularly around solving the key pains and requests we've been
> |>  hearing for a long while now, around:
> |>  * Ability to message project followers. Will be shipped in Batucada
> |>  first release.
> | Messaging group subscriber in Drupal can be done out of the box with a
> | vanilla installation of Drupal using OG , Notifications&  OG
> | Notifications contributed modules . This perhaps could have be
> | implemented in an early iteration and the platform developed further
> | using something like simpletest to ensure that functionality is not
> | broken as we add new features.
> |>  * Slow / unreliable site performance. The new site will be WAY
> |>  faster and more reliable.
> |
> | Drupal can be extremely fast and reliable. It is also secure (all bugs
> | are shallow with a large community of
> | developers&  testers) and can scale it is almost infinitely extensible
> | (thinking Drupal 7)
> |
> |
> | I don't know anything about our current hosting arrangements for
> | drumbeat.org
> | but a couple of things worth checking are
> | that we have the mod_expires apache module enabled and also if the
> | contents of the .htaccess file
> | that comes with Drupal has been moved to a vhost.conf / httpd.conf
> | files
> | . Just thought i would
> | mention this as only i recall us having a conversation about memcache
> |>  * General streamlining and clarity. A lot of the notes from what
> |>  worked / didn't work have been rolled into the design.
> |
> | That's awesome. Would you mind pointing me towards the wiki notes,
> | thanks.
> |>  But the main thing this release will give us is the ability to
> |>  iterate early and often.
> |
> | That's brilliant and just what's needed right now. I would just like
> | to
> | add for clarity that i think this could also have been done on the
> | drupal platform if we had released something a lot lighter initially
> |>  We'll be releasing new versions of the site after launch every other
> |>  week.
> |
> | Awesome
> |>  So as new feedback comes in, we'll be able to file tickets and roll
> |>  out improvements on an ongoing basis.
> |>  So we've been trying to push hard to get that first release out the
> |>  door, so that we can then ramp up more community feedback and
> |>  hands-on contributing.
> |
> | It's great to hear that the first release will be based on a lot of
> | community discussion
> |>  We'll also be doing a lot more innovation challenges to involve
> |>  folks in specific design and development work going forward.
> |
> | Blinding ( == Awesome )
> |>  Hope this gives some context... and thanks again for all your
> |>  ongoing help! :)
> |
> | Thanks Matt. It's been a real pleasure and a honor helping out with
> | Drumbeat.org this year in particular i would like to thank you
> | personally for bringing me along for the ride and entrusting me with
> | the
> | site. Thanks again :-)
> |
> |
> |>  --Matt
> |>
> |>
> |>  On 2010-11-26, at 11:16 AM, paul@ilovetheopenweb.org wrote:
> |>
> |>>  Hi Matt,
> |>>
> |>>  Just a few thoughts
> |>>
> |>>  With our current site we have a great look and feel which is
> |>>  attributed to the community feedback that we got with each
> |>>  iteration
> |>>  of the design. To my knowledge we did not do the same when it came
> |>>  to building the site functionality (what functionality we need,
> |>>  what
> |>>  modules to use ,..)
> |>>
> |>>  With the Batucada i'm guessing that functionality / design are both
> |>>  being
> |>>  worked out without input from the community which i think may be a
> |>>  step
> |>>  backwards.
> |>>
> |>>  Best,
> |>>  Paul Booker
> |>>  Appcoast
> |>>
> |>>  On 26/11/2010 15:57, Matt Thompson wrote:
> |>>>  Hello, Drumbeat!
> |>>>
> |>>>  Please add your items and links to the agenda for Monday's
> |>>>  Drumbeat call here:
> |>>>  https://wiki.mozilla.org/Drumbeat/WeeklyUpdates/Nov-29-2010
> |>>>
> |>>>  Lotsa progress to report on the new "Learning, Freedom and the
> |>>>  Web" site.
> |>>>  Your feedback on new projects.
> |>>>  Plus a sneak peek at designs for the new Batucada version of
> |>>>  Drumbeat.org.
> |>>
> |>>>  Talk to you Monday,
> |>>>
> |>>>  --Matt
> |>>>
> |>>>  Nov 29, 2010 Meeting Agenda
> |>>>
> |>>>  * Weekly dial-in meeting, Monday, 8 a.m. PST
> |>>>  * Canada +1 416 848 3114 Ext. 92 Conference number 7600
> |>>>  * US or Intl. +1 650 903 0800 Ext. 92 Conference number 7600
> |>>>  * US Toll-Free +1 800 707 2533 Conference number 7600
> |>>>  * Mozilla Drumbeat ->  #drumbeat | IRC channel
> |>>>  When you call in, you'll be unmuted by default, please mute
> |>>>  yourself to keep phone noise down. Use "*1" (including the star)
> |>>>  to mute yourself until you want to say something.
> |>>>
> |>>>  [edit] Agenda
> |>>>
> |>>>  Call for agenda items
> |>>>  Volunteer note-taker / tweeter?
> |>>>
> |>>>
> |>>>  LEARNING, FREEDOM AND THE WEB
> |>>>
> |>>>  New online hub&  "Planet Drumbeat / Learning" blog
> |>>>  Ben M
> |>>>  Update on "LearningFreedomandtheWeb.org":
> |>>>  Draft aggregator
> |>>>  How you can help
> |>>>  How to get your feed added
> |>>>  PROJECTS
> |>>>  Feedbacker
> |>>>
> |>>>  Project wiki page [add link]
> |>>>  Open Attribution Tool
> |>>>
> |>>>  Project wiki page
> |>>>  Big burning question: build something new, or tweak something that
> |>>>  exists?
> |>>>  Laura's analysis
> |>>>
> |>>>  BATUCADA WEB SITE UPDATE
> |>>>
> |>>>  Paul Osman
> |>>>  Sneak peek at Batucada web designs
> |>>>
> |>>>  EVENTS
> |>>>  _______________________________________________
> |>>>  community-drumbeat mailing list
> |>>>  community-drumbeat@lists.mozilla.org
> |>>>  https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/community-drumbeat
> |>>
> |>>  --
> |>>  Paul Booker
> |>>  Email : paulbooker@ilovetheopenweb.org
> |>>  @paulbooker : http://mozilla.status.net/paulbooker
> |>>
> |
> |
> | --
> | Paul Booker
> | Email : paulbooker@ilovetheopenweb.org
> | @paulbooker : http://mozilla.status.net/paulbooker
> |
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Paul Booker
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