From:  Dyvik Chenna <dyvik100@gmail.com>
Date:  30 Sep 2014 05:34:45 Hong Kong Time
Newsgroup:  news.mozilla.org/mozilla.community.belgium
Subject:  

Re: Words from a Mozillian

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Hello Fellow Mozillian,Everyone,

I always feel that Mozilla is my family, I've learnt about many things
after stepping in to this open platform and for now it has been 2 years
that I have been volunteering with Mozilla and i'm currently a rep from
India. I know it's a sensitive issue that happens in every community, as
being in Mozilla for a very long time i had seen many contributors leaving
Mozilla as they cannot report their concerns(Might be local
support/problems with reps/community issues) anywhere. I never say that
everything should be perfect in a community but my opinion is to have an
anonymous complain box where mozillians can put up their concerns over
there and moderators should try to focus on them. I've planned this very
long back and named it as concern box but as there is no community support
i'm stating this over here.

Thanks to Fellow Mozillian for bringing this issues out, i really agree
with your points and i really appreciate for what you have done.Yes,without
knowing the drawbacks in our community its difficult to move on, I feel its
just like discussing our family problems with our family. Let's be open in
this open project and make our open world awesome without any
misunderstandings :)

Finally it's just an opinion form my side and i am not here to point
fingers.

Regards,
Dyvik,
Mozilla Representative.



On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Dicky Moe  wrote:

> Hello people,
>
> we, who do not wish to be identified, yet, have a lot to tell-or rather,
> EXPOSE!
>
> Friends, Mozillians, Open Web enthusiasts! Lend me your ears;
> ­
> Mozilla Community is one among a few communities that preaches an Open web
> that strives for transparency over the internet. But! Let’s
> rather introspect whether we are maintaining the mentioned TRANSPARENT and
> OPEN nature within
> our self.
>
> Here are some instances that's recorded in our mind that makes us think
> about it. But why do people not say it out in the Open? It’s because the
> so-called community is “Dictated” and controlled by a few members who
> cannot be Opposed or Questioned!
>
> [1]Selection process for MozFest
>
> Since a while now, the Mozillians subscribed on multiple lists have been
> receiving updates about the candidates selected for MozFest 2014 one of the
> largest events hosted by Mozilla! All the Mozillians who’ve seen the
> “so-called” criteria for the selection process listed in the wiki would
> definitely agree with us when it comes to the transparency and some of the
> members chosen.
>
> Very valid is the comment given by one of the Mozillians who asked for a
> justification or rather a short note on why each and every person was
> selected for the same. The reply from council was great but wasn't up to
> the request.
>
> With the growing contributor base, the same set of people invited over and
> over for these events instead of giving a chance for new contributors. This
> can be argued upon by saying “The selection is based on Experience” which
> is a paradox because the experience CAN only be gained when the person gets
> a chance to attend events!
>
> WE ECHO A DEMAND ON THE NOTE WHY EACH MOZILLIAN WAS SELECTED FOR MOZFEST
> ALONG WITH A MORE DETAILED SELECTION CRITERIA.
>
>
>
> [2]MozCamp Beta India
>
> The MozCamp Beta, one among the reformed events and the first of it’s kind
> in the world. A team of 6 members (so called core team) have “chosen” and
> reviewed over 109 volunteers to select a total of 90 for the event from
> India.
>
> NOTE that there was NO FORMAL application for the same found in the
> mailing list, Moilla wiki or Community wiki. So from where did these
> applicants come from?
>
> If you don’t get what we’re saying, please check the attachment :
> https://www.sendspace.com/file/2an1e5
> COULD THE CONCERNED PEOPLE PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS?
>
> [3]Budget requests
>
> The Mozilla Reps program started to empower the Mozillians to become
> leaders in the community and inspire volunteers is turning out to some
> thing else especially with Budgets.
>
> The budget request made by the so called Community leaders for any event
> is always accepted without any questions while community members who have
> or had “issues” ( on Opinion or any other ) with their community leaders
> face problems in getting their budget approved, which mostly happens in the
> last moment!
>
> Allow us to cite and example here of an event that was recently conducted
> Women’s only event in Bangalore, IN  with a budget of over 3000 USD! The
> criteria for a normal rep to get the budget approved would be based on the
> “metrics”. So we happened to see the "SUPER AWESOME" metrics of this
> Women’s only event- few thimble and popcorn makes. Isn’t that great!? NOT!
>
> To add on, this Mozilla Rep, during one of her talks, also mentioned that
> she’s traveled to more than 12 countries in a short span of 2 years. Agreed
> that this may be to encourage new contributors with the perks, but is it
> actually the right approach? DO WE TELL PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO OPEN SOURCE
> BY TELLING THEM THAT THEY COULD TRAVEL ALL OVER THE WORLD AND STAY IN STAR
> HOTELS!?
>
> A small issue that caught fire on twitter :
> https://twitter.com/koolhead17/status/493017466449059840
> In case the tweet got removed :  https://www.sendspace.com/file/fsprzb
>
> [4]Localization project
>
> The Mozilla L10N project that aims at localizing various projects. Do we
> even consider these as a project that Mozilla supports?
> What made us think so is because of the series of quality events that were
> cancelled due to budget issues for the L10N team. To RE-AFFIRM this point,
> one of the so-called ‘Community leaders’ and “Evangelist” in the community
> openly disagreed the support of the L10N team-thereby meaning that the
> volunteers who contribute to the same are just “jobless”.
>
> Yes, this might be justified by saying that these are his personal views,
> BUT ARE THEY REALLY THINGS THAT SHOULD BE SAID BY AN EVANGELIST!?
> Would love to have your thoughts on this Mr.Christian Heilmann.
>
> [6] Leadership change
>
> Yes, WE FINALLY MEAN THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
>
> Taking the wonderful example of Philippines community where they change
> the Community leader within a period. Unlike some communities that have
> liaisons that want literally everything in a community to pass through
> them. Agreed that this is good, but the same would be expected out of this
> person so that the
> community gets to know about future plans.
>
> TRANSPARENCY in all the projects, programs and selection process is
> expected in the Community.
>
> [7]Cancelling Grow Tunisia
>
> When an event of such a scale is planned, the amount of efforts taken by
> the 10’s and 100’s of community members and volunteers is exponentially
> MUCH more than that of one or two staffs and so called CORE MEMBERS (
> identified for no specific reason in most case) who’ve been assigned to
> take up the event!
>
> And just few days before getting the selected list of volunteers, we see a
> mail saying that ALL THE GROW EVENTS HAVE BEEN CANCELLED. Mozilla, the
> organization, is what it is today because of the community and the
> volunteers who strive to better it day after day! A decision was taken on
> this just by an
> internal panel who apparently ‘discussed’ things with team was not
> convinced by the structure of the same.
>
> ANY DECISION AS SUCH SHOULD AT LEAST BE DISCUSSED WITH THE VOLUNTEERS/REPS.
>
> Files If missed :
> http://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/yK4Ii%2BzgSoyHaz7FPRd%2Fsg
>
> We would like to make a note that this isn't any issues with Organization,
> its just a few members of the current community that is deviating the
> mission / goal of Mozilla, we hope a small discussion over this will get
> the problem solved.
>
> better to act now than to be sorry later
>
> Regards
> Fellow Mozillian
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