From:  Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com>
Date:  30 Oct 2024 05:32:22 Hong Kong Time
Newsgroup:  news.alt119.net/sci.lang
Subject:  

Re: Raymond Williams's [Keywords]

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On 10/28/2024 8:21 PM, HenHanna wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 1:50:19 +0000, Jeff Barnett wrote:
> 
>> On 10/28/2024 4:54 PM, HenHanna wrote:
>>> Raymond Williams said that the word [nature]  was used differently in
>>> the past?
>>>
>>>             Yes, Raymond Williams, a prominent cultural theorist,
>>> discussed the concept of "nature" and how its meaning has evolved over
>>> time.
>>>
>>> In his work, particularly in Keywords: A Vocabulary of Culture and
>>> Society, Williams noted that the word "nature" originally encompassed a
>>> broader range of meanings, including one's inherent qualities and the
>>> essence of a thing.
>>>
>>>             Historically, "nature" was often associated with the idea of
>>> the natural world and human beings' place within it, including moral and
>>> social dimensions.
>>>
>>>           Over time, the term became more narrowly focused on the
>>> physical environment and the biological aspects of life, often
>>> separating human culture from the natural world.
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>          Here are some key examples from   Raymond Williams's  Keywords
>>> that illustrate his observations about the historical usage of specific
>>> terms:
>>>
>>> ______________Culture:
>>>
>>> Original Meaning: Initially related to agriculture (from the Latin
>>> cultura), referring to the cultivation of the earth.
>>>
>>> Evolution:    Over time, it expanded to include the arts, intellectual
>>> achievements, and the overall way of life of a society.
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________Democracy:
>>>
>>> Historical Context:    Originally referred to the rule of the people in
>>> ancient Greece.
>>>
>>> Current Usage:      The term has evolved to encompass various forms of
>>> governance, often associated with rights, representation, and
>>> participation, reflecting struggles for civil rights and social justice.
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________Nature:
>>>
>>> Etymology:    Traditionally related to the inherent qualities or essence
>>> of things.
>>>
>>> Shift:     In contemporary usage, it often refers specifically to the
>>> physical environment, separating it from human culture, which contrasts
>>> with its broader historical interpretation.
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________Class:
>>>
>>> Initial Connotation:     Originally denoted a group or category based on
>>> shared characteristics.
>>>
>>> Modern Understanding:     The term has developed to encompass
>>> socio-economic divisions and conflicts, reflecting the dynamics of
>>> power, privilege, and identity in society.
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________Industry:
>>>
>>> Early Use:    Initially referred to diligence and hard work.
>>>
>>> Contemporary Meaning:       Now primarily associated with manufacturing
>>> and economic production, often linked to discussions of labor,
>>> capitalism, and economic structures.
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________Community:
>>>
>>> Original Sense:     Related to common ownership or shared interests.
>>>
>>> Current Interpretation:      The concept has become more complex, often
>>> reflecting various social and cultural identities, as well as issues of
>>> belonging and exclusion.
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________Freedom:
>>>
>>> Historical Roots:     Originally linked to the idea of being free from
>>> bondage or constraint.
>>>
>>> Modern Nuances:        Today, it encompasses various dimensions,
>>> including political rights, personal autonomy, and economic freedom,
>>> highlighting ongoing struggles and differing interpretations.
>>
> 
> 
>> I believe that at sometime in the past, the term implied/included human
>> waste products (toilet) and their production. I seem to remember this
>> usage in some things I have read but can't recall specific examples.
>> -- 
>> Jeff Barnett
> 
> 
> 
> re:  free,  freedom  -- my AI(assistant) doesn't think so.
> 
> 
> 
> ____________ >>>  The term "free" has never directly meant urination or
> defecation in a formal sense.        However, it may have been used in
> certain contexts or euphemisms related to bodily functions. The word
> "free" generally denotes liberation or lack of restriction.
> 
>                 The closest related term would be "relief," which can
> imply the act of relieving oneself.
> 
>        But "free" itself has not been historically linked to those
> specific bodily functions.     It primarily conveys ideas of freedom,
> absence of cost, or lack of constraints.
> 
> 
> ___________________________
> 
> Raymond Williams's [Keywords] --- i had this book, but
>         maybe  i was  too young,  when i tried to read it.

Sorry - my above attempted contribution was for "nature". I inserted 
remarks in the wrong place. Sorry.
-- 
Jeff Barnett