On 10/8/24 2:46 PM, moviePig wrote:
> On 10/8/2024 5:56 AM, trotsky wrote:
>> On 10/7/24 12:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>> On 10/7/2024 2:48 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>> On 10/5/24 11:02 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>> On 10/4/2024 6:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> In article , moviePig
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/4/2024 5:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article , moviePig
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/4/2024 3:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article , moviePig
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/4/2024 2:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article , moviePig
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You should be pissed about the Court because it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sell out personal freedom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As in?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Under this Court, I've regained freedoms that were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from my by Democrats.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Congrats on your restored personal freedoms. I admit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerned here with *others'* freedoms, e.g., your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> girlfriend's, my daughter's...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My girlfriend supports the Court's repeal of Roe. Not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same reason I do-- i.e., that the Constitution does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not grant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> federal government power over health care, so it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> properly a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter of state and local jurisdiction per the 10th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amendment--
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but she supports it for her own reasons.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nevertheless, I don't see why one person's freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important than someone else's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because "freedom to choose" is more important than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "freedom to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meddle".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that somehow magically makes health care/abortion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I, Section 8 power of the federal government exactly how?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And in any event, I'm glad you're on board with my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freedom to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose which AR-15 style rifle I want to defend my home
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next time Democrats allow their base to rampage through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> city.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, how much lethal firepower should an ordinary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> citizen have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However much they choose to. Freedom to choose supersedes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government's freedom to meddle, remember?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not when it comes to lethal force and weapons of mass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But the Founders, in their great wisdom, never mentioned
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WMDs...!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They didn't mention abortion, either, so all we have to go
>>>>>>>>>>>> on is the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Constitution According to MoviePig, which teaches us that
>>>>>>>>>>>> freedom to
>>>>>>>>>>>> choose supersedes the government's freedom to meddle.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All we have to go on is common sense ...as opposed to
>>>>>>>>>>> reflexively
>>>>>>>>>>> screeching about what's not explicit in the Constitution.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What about my Article I, Section 8 analysis above equates to a
>>>>>>>>>> 'screech'?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just want to get a baseline established so we can then
>>>>>>>>>> compare it to
>>>>>>>>>> your own posts and see how they stack up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First, let me check to see if we're now answering questions:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How much lethal firepower should an ordinary citizen have
>>>>>>>>> access to?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I already answered that. You just didn't like my answer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beg pardon? Was "all that he wants" your serious answer (to a
>>>>>>> serious
>>>>>>> question)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, the same way your answer to "How far along in a pregnancy
>>>>>> should a
>>>>>> woman be allowed to abort?" ("As far along as she wants") is
>>>>>> apparently
>>>>>> a serious answer to a serious question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now my turn:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about my Article I, Section 8 analysis above equates to a
>>>>>> 'screech'?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just want to get a baseline established so we can then compare
>>>>>> it to
>>>>>> your own posts and see how they stack up.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you know I'll answer your question (in more detail than
>>>>> you'll want and you won't have to remind me). But I'm still
>>>>> unclear on your response to mine:
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem to hear exaggeration in my allowing a woman to control
>>>>> *every* aspect of her pregnancy.
>>>>
>>>> If you think a woman can decide to abort in the third trimester
>>>> without a doctor's edict you're not making sense.
>>>
>>> Until delivery, only *her* beliefs matter. Yours or mine are irrelevant.
>>
>>
>> Interesting, sometimes you sound pretty smart and others like a
>> fucking moron. Tell the group what part of this you take umbrage to:
>>
>> Fetus as Human Being: Where is the Cut-off Point? - PMC
>> National Institutes of Health (NIH) (.gov)
>>
>> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › articles › PMC3713799
>> by S Dabbagh · 2009 · Cited by 8 — According to them, the fetus which
>> is 16 weeks can be regarded as human being because of ensoulment. It
>> follows from this that one is authorized ...
>>
>> I'm not for sure, but I believe intentionally aborting a fetus in the
>> third trimester would be considered murder in all 50 states.
>
> Iirc, Buddhists say "ensoulment" occurs at the third trimester, which
> has long seemed to me a reasonable guess. But it's still just a
> religious *belief* ...and thus has no place in American legislation.
I just picked that because it's an easy concept to grasp. Are you just
not cognizant of the endless discussion of when life begins for a fetus?
You sound like your head is firmly ensconced up your ass at this point.
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