On 10/1/2024 2:08 PM, trotsky wrote:
> On 9/30/24 10:22 AM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 9/30/2024 6:21 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 9/29/24 10:30 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 9/29/2024 7:50 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>> On 9/28/24 11:17 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/28/2024 6:08 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/27/24 11:17 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/27/2024 5:03 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/26/24 8:52 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/26/2024 5:33 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/24 2:38 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2024 9:35 AM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/23/24 10:36 PM, shawn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 10:45:04 -0700, BTR1701
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberal comedian Bill Maher scolded his audience this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week for laughing after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he talked about the second assassination attempt on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former President Donald
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump on Sunday.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maher made the remarks Friday evening on his HBO show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> REAL TIME while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking about the attempt on Trump's life at Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> International Golf Club
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> West Palm Beach.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "So let's not bury the lead," Maher said. "The big story
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this week, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried to shoot Trump again. Let's not--"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The correct word is 'lede', not 'lead'. No wonder our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> language is going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to hell if even journalists can't get this stuff right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never heard of the use of lede before, but this is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly decent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coverage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I used the word all the time when I was editing Wiki,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because lots of articles didn't have good ledes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Such might be the proper setting for using 'lede' today,
>>>>>>>>>>>> which afaics from this article is very much an "inside
>>>>>>>>>>>> journalism" remnant:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2019/lead-vs-lede-roy-peter-clark-has-the-definitive-answer-at-last/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would say it's more of a print journalism remnant, back
>>>>>>>>>>> when people used to read the newspaper every day. The
>>>>>>>>>>> quality and accuracy of information was better then, among
>>>>>>>>>>> other things.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Read and, for better or worse, believe...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. People
>>>>>>>>> believe what they read just as much now, but much of it is
>>>>>>>>> Soviet level propaganda.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The un/popularity of (e.g.) FoxNews and MSNBC suggests to me
>>>>>>>> that people have an increased awareness that public news is
>>>>>>>> curated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting, that's one of the most fucked up statements I've
>>>>>>> seen in my lifetime. Trump gets millions of votes in elections,
>>>>>>> and you claim people have "increased awareness?" How the fuck do
>>>>>>> you put two and two together and get five trillion?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think there's increased awareness that news is slanted, even --
>>>>>> or maybe especially -- among people who actively tune in for the
>>>>>> slant.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "slant" creates a lack of awareness, not the converse.
>>>>
>>>> I think one knows when he's put on rose-colored glasses...
>>>
>>>
>>> You think Fox News viewers know they're being lied to? That's
>>> fucking bullshit.
>>>
>>> https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/11/15/big-lie-fox-news-brian-stelter-book-00127133
>>>
>>> ‘Tons of Crazy’: The Inside Story of How Fox Fell for the ‘Big Lie’
>>>
>>> A play-by-play from inside Fox reveals how the network poisoned
>>> politics — and lost $787.5 million.
>>>
>>> Just one example.
>>
>> Yes, I think at least some realize they're seeking biased reporting.
>
>
> If you say so, every time I hear from a Fox viewer it's with an insane
> glean in their eye. Sort of channeling Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
Afaics, besides Ubiquitous, most here know better than to cite Fox.
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