From:  "Jennifer Usher" <jennisuzan@earthlink.net>
Date:  15 Jan 2005 04:35:56 Hong Kong Time
Newsgroup:  news.alt119.net/alt.support.srs
Subject:  

Re: Proposal: Semi-moderated TG (private) newsgroup(s?)

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"Willow Arune"  wrote in message
news:qgIFd.71535$Xk.42783@pd7tw3no...
> AG Support (Yahoo) is a moderated group.  In two years, with over 200
> members, we have only had to turn back under ten messages, and ask for a
> re-write.  Seems that if people know, up front, that they cannot post
filth
> and garbage, they do not.

Well, now we all know that is a bit of an exaggeration...

The truth from tsroadmap.com:
As of 24 March 2004, there were 34 unique posters on the "autogynephilia"
support group in 2004, half of whom posted six or fewer times. Only about
one in five of the subscribers post. Many probably subscribe to monitor the
ten main posters. During that time, ten contributors were responsible for
nine out of ten posts. In other words, that tiny band...represents the
people responsible for 87% of the "autogynephilia" content.

Since the first survey, the number of unique contributors dropped from 34 to
just 22 in October 2004. The top ten contributors in any month comprise
about 95% of all the "autogynephilia" content. This is probably because
several contributors are beginning to grasp the parameters of the debate, or
they have concerns with list owner Willow Arune. As expected based on
Arune's long online history, this list has devolved into cut and paste jobs
from other sources and personal attacks. Though it was clear to most from
the begining that this "movement" is led by a handful of well-known internet
kooks and crackpots, even some who identify as having this disease are
expressing their concerns about the group's waning interest in support and
growing interest in trolling and in baiting.


> We do not censor for content, only for flames and personal attacks.  We
> would even let in the likes of Jennifer in and as long as she did not
flame
> anyone, fine.


Of course, what Willie Boy here means by "flame" is actually disagree about
autogynephilia and provide serious and convincing arguments against it.  In
short, anyone who is actually able to discuss the subject with any degree of
skill is not going to be welcome.


> An open list where anyone can join needs to be controlled in some manner.
> Either you limit who can join, by referral only, or advise that posts
shall
> be monitored and follow up on that.  My co-moderator and I talk daily by
> telephone, and discuss any post that might need to be referred back.  We
let
> the person posting it know why, and invite a revision, the flames to be
> deleted.  Under ten times in two years - but it takes a lot of work.


Funny, at least as of last October, it appears that was the primary content
of your board other than cut and paste jobs.


> Once a flame goes through, you cannot get it back.  The person insulted
> wants to reply, and on things go as they do in this place.  Laura and
> Jennifer would get tired of having posts returned, knowing that their
> insults would not get by to the list.  We do not terminate anyone.
> Granted, not all 200 are active, but we have had over 4700 posts over our
> list - not a bad record, I think.


Actually, I have no interest in discussing any topic in a closed environment
that is controlled by a net kook like Arune.


> Free speech is well and good, until those that exercise it try to prevent
> others from doing the same.  Therein is the limitation.


Free speech is something Willie Boy is terrified of.  Which is why he has
tried stunts like threatening people in order to silence them.


-- 
Jennifer Usher